Sherlock

[count tiszula]

Surely Spoo and I cannot be the only people to have watched Sherlock on Sunday?  Not a single comment I can find.  Surely it cannot be that it is only being shown in the UK?  Or is it that people don't want spoilers?A

Anyway, I have finally heard a critical opinion, which is as one might have expected;  it was all too complicated, the plot was incomprehensible. etc, etc.  Moreover Moffatt and Gatiss are living in the past comparing Thatcher to Napoleon and endlessly going on about how awful she was when "young people " have never heard of her.

Personally I enjoyed it.  The plot for a change was not quite opaque [though at 90 mins long I may have dozed off in the middle.]  I will try to avoid spoilers and wait until this coming Sunday to discover how Moriarty actually did everything that I didn't get.    But what young people certainly don't know is what Latin is and how it explains Sherlock's mystifying rigmarole about amoamasamat.

After all, the word amo cannot possibly relate to entirely different words like amas and amat.. THAT would be silly.

 

[Hedgehog]

16 minutes ago, count tiszula said:

amoamasamat

That's just conjugation and - in my opinion - has nothing to do with the age of people, just if they learned Latin at school / college or not.

Also, I sadly couldn't watch the new episodes yet.

[Shamaël]

I watched it on BBC on Sunday, and with subtitles yesterday (I must confess I didn't understand everything) and I have mixed feelings about it. I really enjoyed the 35 first minutes (oh, a plot and cases and deductions! oh, it's faithful to Conan Doyle with just enough difference to surprise us! great!), the middle was good, but I have issues with the end and with the relationships between the main characters. I will not spoil here, but I have the impression that the complicity between the characters have disappeared and I don't like it. Too bad. 

(And as an ancient member of the French Sherlock Holmes Society, I'm very disappointed with the mention of "Sherrinford" and I really, really, really hope they won't mess things up with this completely non-canon character. I am psychoridig about the canon and what you can and can't do with it, and introducing Sherrinford is definitely something you can't do, in my opinion. So I prepare myself to be awfully disappointed.)

But it was great to have Sherlock back! The actors are very good, as always. I am looking forward to the next episode because I expect so much from a plot coming from The dying detective... I hope I'm not expecting too much.

Edited January 6, 2017 by Aliena H.

[SneezyHolmes]

I did and boy howdy it was a good episode! I'm so glad to have this show back and even more glad to have found a website that allows me to watch it for free without risk of a virus!  

[Subtly Clashing Wishes]

@count tiszula Oh fear not, I watched the episode with a young man (15) who takes Latin at his school. It's mandatory. He translated for us faster than Mycroft.  

I'll be back with more comments later as I'm on my phone now. 

[count tiszula]

I am very glad to hear that knowledge of Latin is alive and well; I wonder if it is only in the UK that it has declined so much; but I think it is lack of all knowledge of all language that most distresses me.  I mean, liebe Igel [probably ungrammatical!], you know what conjugation is, and I bet you know what a transitive verb is too.  You may even know the difference between lay, laid and lied!  But other people here don't, and regard it as offensive if one inadvertently uses such terms.

Given where we have got to. I will approach spoiler territory.  I have long been Very indignant  about what is done to poor old Mary Morstan, who has been turned from a gentle victim and bewildered client into a rather unpleasant superspy with a penchant for ultraviolence.  And sticking to Latin issues, Rosamund does not mean "rose of the world".  A girlfriend of mine with that name always pointed out at once that it means "horse protection".  She said it was a wonderful name, so redolent of Anglo-Saxon horse worship, Kings Hengest and Horsa and so on.  But as I say, Horse and Ross are completely different words so there can be no connection between them.. 

 

[Seniorstatus14]

5 hours ago, SneezyHolmes said:

I did and boy howdy it was a good episode! I'm so glad to have this show back and even more glad to have found a website that allows me to watch it for free without risk of a virus!  

Would you mind sharing that site? I watched this past week's episode back home, however, now I am back in college and my roommates made the decision before I moved in that instead of paying for cable we should just get a Roku and have netflix and hulu, so I have no way to watch the upcoming two episodes. 

 

I thoroughly enjoyed the episode (from what I saw, I may have been a tad distracted). I was saddened by the ending not because I liked you-know-who but because of a different thing. Sorry, I'm trying not to give away spoilers. Overall I enjoyed the episode though.

 

Also, quick question, isn't "The Dying Dective"  an actual Sherlock story from Conan Doyle? Obviously they're adapting it for the show, but in the book isn't it one where Sherlock is sick? If so I'm greatly looking forward to Sunday evening!

[SneezyHolmes]

Just now, Seniorstatus14 said:

Would you mind sharing that site? I watched this past week's episode back home, however, now I am back in college and my roommates made the decision before I moved in that instead of paying for cable we should just get a Roku and have netflix and hulu, so I have no way to watch the upcoming two episodes. 

 

I thoroughly enjoyed the episode (from what I saw, I may have been a tad distracted). I was saddened by the ending not because I liked you-know-who but because of a different thing. Sorry, I'm trying not to give away spoilers. Overall I enjoyed the episode though.

 

Also, quick question, isn't "The Dying Dective"  an actual Sherlock story from Conan Doyle? Obviously they're adapting it for the show, but in the book isn't it one where Sherlock is sick? If so I'm greatly looking forward to Sunday evening!

I watch it on the PBS website! But I can't promise it'll work for you depending on your local networks and whatnot! http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/series/sherlock-s4/

It'll be our luck that the writers left out the sickness aspect of this week's episode lmao 

[Hedgehog]

15 minutes ago, count tiszula said:

liebe Igel [probably ungrammatical!]

*haha* It's all right. "Igel" is grammatically male but I am female; so you can say it this way.

16 minutes ago, count tiszula said:

you know what conjugation is, and I bet you know what a transitive verb is too.  You may even know the difference between lay, laid and lied! 

Of course, I know about those things. That doesn't mean I wouldn't make enough mistakes in this language that's not my mother tongue. ^^ Albeit - I wouldn't turn down anyone who'd try to help me.

Concerning Sherlock, I've found out that I probably have to wait another year before I can watch the new season.

[Subtly Clashing Wishes]

Overall I enjoyed the episode. I thought the use of The Six Napoleons was an excellent way to bring in Mary's back story. But then things got very overwrought between Mary, John and Sherlock. My husband noted that the show seemed more like a domestic drama then a crime drama. The interactions between Mycroft and Sherlock were priceless and even Lestrade got some quality screen time. 

I could go into a lot more detail but I don't want to spoil it for anyone who hasn't seen it. 

Edited January 8, 2017 by Sanguine Cheerful Worrier

[Shamaël]

13 hours ago, Seniorstatus14 said:

Also, quick question, isn't "The Dying Dective"  an actual Sherlock story from Conan Doyle? Obviously they're adapting it for the show, but in the book isn't it one where Sherlock is sick? If so I'm greatly looking forward to Sunday evening!

Yes, it is, and yes, Sherlock is sick. And I really hope they'll keep that part of the original story in the plot...

[Zed]

Missed the first 10 minutes but enjoyed the episode overall. Well written, well acted and well filmed as per usual. Wasn't as amusing as some of the previous episodes but the humour that was injected into the script was spot on, as always.

Take care,

Zed

[Subtly Clashing Wishes]

Yay! Another episode today. 

On January 6, 2017 at 6:36 PM, hedgehog said:

Concerning Sherlock, I've found out that I probably have to wait another year before I can watch the new season.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to help Hedgie?

[count tiszula]

I can only help den menschlichen Igel  by correcting her [as requested].  Whereas in your first post in here you were I suspect correct in American English , in British English you wouild have said " I have not yet been able to watch the episode".  No perfect in America, it seems, though there is a narrative pluperfect.  As in "first I had got up, then I had tooken  my pajamas off".

As to Sherlock, it suddenly occurs to me that in a previous life I often hung around Baker Street, in fact I had an arty friend who had a studio in a turning off it. she was quite sneezy and, being arty. sneezed into a red, spotted hankie in the preferred manner.  Possible material for a Sherlock drabble?

Also, I once went through the Sign of Four with a map following Toby's route; he lost the scent at Kennington Cross and went down Kennington Lane, the silly. 

[Hedgehog]

3 hours ago, count tiszula said:

then I had tooken  my pajamas off".

not "taken"?  On American vs. British English - I think, the internet has tainted me.  (That doesn't mean, I like it. It's just a question of habit, I think...)

Concerning Sherlock - it will be on the German TV around Easter. So, only a few more months to wait, not a complete year.

[SneezyHolmes]

So I watched the preview and Sherlock sounds a bit hoarse and his voice seems to crack a bit but that could just be my mind over thinking his normally deep and rugged voice. But my hopes are still up! 

[count tiszula]

Yes, Judge Judy won't let people say "tooken".; I think they are so unused to the past participle that they try anything vaguely past, usually a simple preterite..

MEANWHILE back with sherlock, guess what;  not a hint of any physical disease, except he got a bit unshaven; no caretaking save perhaps from Mrs Hudson    And it really is getting to the stage when I feel I shall just have to let it wash over me and never mind the plot.  I mean what on earth is going on?  I mean all these new characters who may or may not be real, disappearing clues,  Sigh....  I think I shall find my copy of the short story omnibus and read what originally happened.

[katy693]

That scene between Sherlock and John though! Damn. I'll be surprised if it doesn't win Martin Freeman another Emmy. I've been enjoying the new series, I tend not to be too critical of the shows I like and just try to find the positives. I've invested a lot of time and money into the show (flying to the UK from Australia for Sherlocked comes to mind) so I just go with the flow. The only thing I wished for in The Lying Detective was more screen time between Sherlock and Mycroft. Bring on The Final Problem!

[Subtly Clashing Wishes]

2 hours ago, katy693 said:

I just go with the flow. The only thing I wished for in The Lying Detective was more screen time between Sherlock and Mycroft. Bring on The Final Problem!

I completely agree. I think at this point we just need let the writers/creators tell their story and hang on for the ride. There were all kinds of subtle homage to various TV shows and movies. Not to mention very knowing comments about characters from other characters. 

I absolutely want to see more screen time between Mycroft and Sherlock. They can be so funny. I can't wait until next week. 

[drasticity]

13 hours ago, katy693 said:

That scene between Sherlock and John though! Damn. I'll be surprised if it doesn't win Martin Freeman another Emmy. 

He totally killed it! I read somewhere that Martin had a scene so intense this season that he had to have the rest of the cast leave so he could film it alone. I bet that was it  

Benedict blew my mind this episode too. The shaking hands and that scene where he's running around the flat shooting his gun and raving was so intense. I think this is my favorite episode so far!

[Rook]

On 1/6/2017 at 0:54 PM, SneezyHolmes said:

I did and boy howdy it was a good episode! I'm so glad to have this show back and even more glad to have found a website that allows me to watch it for free without risk of a virus!  

which would be what

[SneezyHolmes]

2 hours ago, batmansgirl said:

which would be what

I already answered this less than two posts later. Read above.

[Zed]

Love, love, LOVED the episode, one of the best of the Sherlock canon in my humble opinion. Looking forward to Sunday!

Take care,

Zed

[kushamisukii]

Yeah I really liked the lying detective , definately in my favourites now. That moment at the end hit my heart. 

I am in eager anticipation of the final problem ! Can't wait !

[Sophie<3]

Somebody else who has watched The Final Problem, will you come and hug me please, I am so emotional right now, ohhhh my God!

Like, I am nowhere near ready to form an actual opinion of the episode, let alone express my thoughts coherently. Just, wow, is this really it, ohh wow, what a wild ride.