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something a friend said recently... what are your thoughts...


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ok so recently a friend of mine Chena S. came down with a pretty nasty head cold and (the doctors confirmed it was a cold not covid) after a week or so. said she was feeling pretty much like normal, except her sinuses where more sensitive. the comment she made and which I had'nt considered before, was that she said "I wonder if it's possible for a common cold to give a person allergies that they've never had before." I had never considered that before but it seems possible to me what are your thoughts? is it possible for someone to have a cold give them allergies somehow? I've heard a couple people tell me that they had nasal surgeries, and ended up with them after wards for some reason I wonder if either of those are possible.

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no. allergies are an immune response caused by exposure to a specific substance/thing over time, they have nothing to do with colds. sinuses being sensitive and allergies are not the same thing

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your probly right! it's occurred to me that the damage done to the cells by the cold germs, could maybe cause the body to become more sensitive to things like pollen happens to be in the sinus cavity at the same time as the germs and the damage to the cells done by the germs, causes the cells to mistakingly blame on the pollen grains... or something like that. again just thinking but yeah your probly right and it's a different thing going on I dunno I'm not a doctor or medical person in any way.

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About a decade ago, I had this really horrendous cold, and that cold seemed to do something to my throat where it was left extremely sensitive afterwards. I would have violent coughing fits at the drop of a hat and from little things like talking to much or drinking cold water, as well as irritants in the air like fragrances or smoke, or things I was actually allergic to. So it's not out of the realm of possibility that a cold can cause lasting damage like that. In my cause it could be debilitating, and was eventually labeled as a neurogenic cough, meaning the nerve endings in my throat were super sensitive and eventually going on medication that helps dampen down the nervous system did help. Hopefully your friend's case isn't as severe.

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9 hours ago, Kurn'la said:

your probly right! it's occurred to me that the damage done to the cells by the cold germs, could maybe cause the body to become more sensitive to things like pollen happens to be in the sinus cavity at the same time as the germs and the damage to the cells done by the germs, causes the cells to mistakingly blame on the pollen grains... or something like that. again just thinking but yeah your probly right and it's a different thing going on I dunno I'm not a doctor or medical person in any way.

have you ever googled how allergies work, out of curiosity? there's a histamine response, it's not... your cells "blaming" pollen grains...

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yeah but admitedliy I still did'nt understand it. everything I saw about the subject was apparently done for people who are doctors! nd I'm not even close to being medically trained at all. I thought the histamine response, might have been part of how the cell misidentifies the target offender. I don't really understand how it all works. 

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12 hours ago, Kurn'la said:

 I thought the histamine response, might have been part of how the cell misidentifies the target offender. I don't really understand how it all works. 

Well, I don't think you're that far off the mark - at least on the simple level that I understand how allergies work. The NHS website (aimed at the general public, not medically trained people) says: "Allergies occur when the body's immune system reacts to a particular substance as though it's harmful".

In a way your body does "blame" pollen grains, in the sense that they cannot harm the body, but your immune system reacts to them as though they are dangerous bugs. I'm not too clear on the histamine thing, but I think the allergy causes the cells to release histamine (a certain chemical) in response, and this in turn causes the allergy symptoms (sneezing, itching, or far more unpleasant things).

But yeah, I don't think having a bad cold can "give" you allergies, though if you already had allergies, a bad illness might make them worse after that?

Biology is hard! :)

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I was just talking to her and she said the sensitivity in her nose is still there, I told her about the nerve thing Shay mentioned and she said she's an appointment at the local clinic to find out what's going on but thinks that sounds like that might be something to consider. said she'll keep me informed what they tell her. so I'll let ya know what she says they tell her.

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After a quick look around it seems like histamines are involved in the body's response to (some?) viruses as well so their role in allergy would not necessarily mean there could be no spill over in reactions.

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I talked to Chena yesterday she made an allergist appointment for a few days from today, so will let you know what she says.

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we don't know anything for certain but it's possible, it's possible she does'nt have them and is just more sensitive through nerves, it's possible she already had them and just did'nt realize she had them. but the cold somehow brought them to her attention. I don't know maybe it's all in her head and there's nothing different then normal, she's just more self concious of her body for now we'll have to see what the allergist and the tests tell her.

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this afternoon Chena took the allergy tests on her arm and they where all negative she said. she said her arm itches like hell and it's driving her nuts, at least she's not allergict to nothin. we figure the cold just made her nerves more sensitive then they where. ( I personally figure they're the same as they where, she's just more aware of her body) am sure she'll be fine though and her hand is healed from the injury and she went back to work yesterday. a couple weeks ago she was working under a car on something and her left hand slipped off the wrench and she sliced the back of it pretty badly. (10 stitches in it) she went back and is doing both jobs again and happy to be back at work. she's a waitress and a car mechanic and good at her job. if they figure out what going on with her nose for certain will let you all know. 

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