Is anyone else bothered by "fetish cliches" in fics and videos?

[Kudryavka]

I feel like I have noticed over the years that people in the SF community are getting more hyper aware of the elements that turn each other on.  Such that, whether it's in obs, fics, or videos, the maker seems to be consciously crafting a big scene rather than describing something more naturally or letting something natural happen on the recording.  It has been especially apparent to me when the maker talks while they are inducing on a video.  Since often they are not talking naturally, but saying fetish cliches.  "Gonna sne... ee... ee... choo!"

Sneezing in real life is spontaneous and relatively unpredictable, that's what makes it so darn sexy.  When fetish stuff becomes too formulaic and constructed, I feel like it takes the natural excitement out of it.  Not to mention, when makers focus on serving up cliches to please an audience, their real personality is basically gone.  Just wondering if anyone else here can relate.

[Kiwifruit]

I don't generally like inducing videos for this reason. It's artificial and lacks the element of uncontrollability that I like. The only ones I like are chhinkni generally, since that leads to a more "natural", actually helpless fit. I like people talking during them if it's actual talking and not just scenarios like you say too. Pretending to hitch and exaggerating it all is a turn off for sure. I tend to prefer "muggle" sneezing videos from people without the fetish for these reasons. They're harder to find now though because every kind of sneeze search result is drowned by loads of SFF-member vids. Particularly ones that lack video, which is an extra pet peeve of mine.

Edited April 9, 2022 by Kiwifruit

[RB]

If you’ve been around here long enough, you know that the range of diversity in what people prefer or don’t prefer is extraordinary. I think what you see out there is pretty much a reflection of that range. I’m with you - natural, no scenario, no overacting, etc. is what I like best. And I’ve noticed the same thing you did. But I’ve come to the realization that I might be in the minority. I don’t know that it’s any harder to find what I like, I just think it’s now a lower percentage of what gets created now that there are so many more avenues for content creation than there used to be, so it feels like there’s less. If you don’t like what you see, commission it or make it yourself so that others see what the true demand for that kind of content is. Greater demand begets greater supply. 

[Kudryavka]

Thanks you two... I just wanted to get that off my chest.  Glad I am not alone. 

RB, I agree.  I need to figure out how to do that in a way that feels moral to me. 

[RB]

Out of curiosity, which part seems immoral to you, commissioning or creating?

[Absolute1]

On 4/8/2022 at 7:21 PM, Kiwifruit said:

I don't generally like inducing videos for this reason. It's artificial and lacks the element of uncontrollability that I like. The only ones I like are chhinkni generally, since that leads to a more "natural", actually helpless fit. I like people talking during them if it's actual talking and not just scenarios like you say too. Pretending to hitch and exaggerating it all is a turn off for sure. I tend to prefer "muggle" sneezing videos from people without the fetish for these reasons. They're harder to find now though because every kind of sneeze search result is drowned by loads of SFF-member vids. Particularly ones that lack video, which is an extra pet peeve of mine.

I agree wholeheartedly, as I'm a huge fan of sneezes that are brought upon naturally by allergies or just spontaneously. Although it depends on the variability of the sneeze itself, I tend to avoid wavs or videos that involve inducing, as it's just not something I can remotely enjoy watching. I would much rather watch a video of a sneezing fit that has been brought upon naturally and reacted to without any sort of scripting or planning behind it.

[Chanel_no5]

On 4/8/2022 at 9:18 PM, Kudryavka said:

Just wondering if anyone else here can relate.

Well... to some extent. I may like the naturalness of it in real life, but it's here, creating myself or consuming content that others create, that I can get the stuff I fantasise about. I'm probably never going to see the behind-the-scenes of an interview with someone famous struggling not to sneeze, or a hot date that's allergic to the flowers they're given, or any scenario that I find hot. Well, I most likely won't see ANY scenario play out in real life since I live most of my life in complete solitude. So I write fics that caters to what I want to see but probably (or certainly) never will. And sure, they're often cliché. I like a certain kind of power dynamic in my sneezers, so it will inevitably become cliché to some degree. 

As for wavs, well, I like it when it sounds natural, but I don't want to hear them rambling about their day or whatever. I'm not a fan of the "I'm gonna sneeze"-trope either, but I would love some things that conveys their desperation, like "Oh my God" or "it tickles" or cursing/moaning. I also like the cliché "I can't stop", but only if it sound desperate and they actually can't stop. I've heard so many wavs where they say that and then there's two sniffles and then the wav ends. Like... apparently you could?  

What I do like is a scenario/setting that would happen regardless, and then add sneezing into it. Like, a speech, an interview, a date, an audition... and then what would happen if the main character of the situation would run into an allergen/be in the situation with a cold. I feel like I'm not making any sense, but hopefully you get the geist of it.  

[oOMariusOo]

I totally agree, it takes a lot of realism out of a scene. The storyline mainly focuses on the demands people make, but the whole structure eventually becomes non-existent. When I write a fiction or an obs, I always try to detail everything I see or imagine to get as close as possible to reality, to what is possible and logical. That's kind of why I find it increasingly difficult to read fiction, I find it hard to hold on to the characters, their personalities are often basic, not complete enough, and the details of the story are missing.

That being said, when I create an audio file of my sneezes, I kind of do the same thing, I just go straight to saying simple sentences like: "Gonna sne... ee... eee... Heechoo!!" I'm a lot less natural because I can't say a lot more things in English. I think it could be very different if I had a conversation with someone in French. I could more easily add a bit more content to create a bit more realism, but I'm limited by my language. 

 

[Mems]

Sometimes it does take me out of the story of a fic- but overall people are writing these fics and sharing them for free and I know other people enjoy stuff I don’t and vice versa, so I just enjoy the parts I enjoy and skip over the rest 😂

[Liath.two]

I actually love when they know its coming. Sometimes I wish build up was even more than what some vids and fics do. In fact, sometimes I prefer fake sneezes because then the build up and release can be as big as the creator wants. Though I realize fake sneezes arent really popular around here😅

[NoV]

I particularly like it when sneezers unwittingly conform to fetish cliches. For example, if an unsuspecting sneezer says 'oh my god, its coming, i'm gonna...' it is a million times more hot than if someone acts out the same scenario but is doing it specifically to cater for the fetish community. 

This is certainly not to say that I don't appreciate people who create fetish scenarios for the community, but I do have a personal preference for sneezing scenarios unencumbered by their creators being conscious of the fetish audience. 

[haymaker]

On 7/18/2022 at 9:34 PM, NoV said:

I particularly like it when sneezers unwittingly conform to fetish cliches. For example, if an unsuspecting sneezer says 'oh my god, its coming, i'm gonna...' it is a million times more hot than if someone acts out the same scenario but is doing it specifically to cater for the fetish community. 

This is certainly not to say that I don't appreciate people who create fetish scenarios for the community, but I do have a personal preference for sneezing scenarios unencumbered by their creators being conscious of the fetish audience. 

Completely Agree; for me contrivance just kills it.