What would you do in a society free of morals and ethics?

[krazykat]

Given that there are a whole load of us that would gladly do anything to make others sneeze but are generally contrained by morals/ethics/fear of causing harm yadda yadda...

What do you think you would be prepared to do to gain pleasure from the fetish if you were not constrained by societal constraints values? How far would you be willing to go?

[aquadyne14]

hmm, good question! if we didn't have to worry about the person being hurt, i wish i could make anyone i met that i would like to see sneeze, sneeze as many times as required!

[Sternuto]

This would have to be on the adult board for an honest response from me.

Bottom line..... its illegal.

[webmeistro]

Short answer: a society is defined by it's morals and ethics. Therefore, a society without them is an oxymoron.

Long answer: later.

[zneeze]

No morals or ethics probably means that I wouldn't have to worry about people judging me about my fetish, so first off I would tell anyone I felt like telling.

Most female sneezes would probably be answered by me with something along the lines of "Bless you, hot stuff."

And yes, I would probably be inducing the hell out of GF (who wouldn't be stifling any sneezes b/c of the whole no-morals thing.)

But, sadly, this is fantasy because as webmeistro pointed out, a society without morals wouldn't survive.

[Jemmabean]

...a society without morals wouldn't survive.

Her point was actually that a society without morals is a contradiction in terms and thus would never exist, not that it wouldn't survive.

And, to the OP... truth be told, I'm not sure I really understand... is what you mean to ask something along the lines of "if YOU didn't have any morals or ethics, and the society you lived in was CONSEQUENCE FREE, what lengths would you go to to satisfy your fetishy desires?" Because if so, then... well, I can't imagine that, because if I didn't have my morals and ethics, I would be a very different person. People without morals exist - a lot of them are serial murderers, rapists, child predators and other such things like this. I am no angel, but I am far from being amoral (this is not to imply that people who would answer this question with "fuck yeah, I'd make everyone sneeze all the time! " are any of the aforementioned things, just stating a fact).

There are undoubtedly those who would love to live in a society free from consequence, but really this is also somewhat of a contradiction in terms... all things have consequences, whether they're minor or major, negative or positive. If I could make someone sneeze with no negative consequences whatsoever, I still wouldn't do it unless they were aware of what they were participating in, and had given me prior permission. Free from any fear of consequence, I would still not have the desire to go to any great lengths to satisfy my fetish because I think it's wrong. That's a personal moral choice I made a long time ago... I don't think anything would alter that - like I said, if I didn't have my morals, in a way, I wouldn't be me.

I hope you don't find my reply scathing or personally attacking... but this is an issue I feel very strongly about and in a way I am bothered by the question, so that is why I may have seemed curt or gruff in my response. I would also like to point out that I am answering this personally, and my words here do not reflect the opinions of the SFF staff or have anything to do with its policies and whatnot. This is just TYS the person.

[krazykat]

I hope you don't find my reply scathing or personally attacking... but this is an issue I feel very strongly about and in a way I am bothered by the question, so that is why I may have seemed curt or gruff in my response. I would also like to point out that I am answering this personally, and my words here do not reflect the opinions of the SFF staff or have anything to do with its policies and whatnot. This is just TYS the person.

Not at all... I personally cannot imagine my own existence without the values and beliefs that I hold in everyday life it was just something I was wondering about last night (after a couple of drinks I will admit) and there would still be consequences of each and every action I agree.

To some extent I was also curious as to how other people would respond to the idea of living in an hypothetical society (yes I admit its a contradiction in terms if there is no moral parameters) where they would be free to do what they pleased. I have to say that I find it interesting that most of you are actually quite reviled by the idea as it sort of fits with my own drunken thoughts on the subject last night... perhaps I should have actually posted my thoughts along with the question.

[Jemmabean]

I have to say that I find it interesting that most of you are actually quite reviled by the idea as it sort of fits with my own drunken thoughts on the subject last night... perhaps I should have actually posted my thoughts along with the question.

I must admit, it makes me feel a lot better to see that. While it may have been a good idea, drunken posting is as drunken posting does (), and you've definitely remedied that by putting said thoughts up here now as a reply, so don't worry! And I honestly didn't think any less of you for having asked the question... just, the question itself kinda rose my hackles a little, if that makes sense.

[krazykat]

I must admit, it makes me feel a lot better to see that. While it may have been a good idea, drunken posting is as drunken posting does (), and you've definitely remedied that by putting said thoughts up here now as a reply, so don't worry! And I honestly didn't think any less of you for having asked the question... just, the question itself kinda rose my hackles a little, if that makes sense.

I can see why the question would raise your heckles and really you didn't upset me at all by querying my thought processes... they can be a little bit bizarre at times. I also think that the topic itself is extremely controversial... that's why i asked how far people would be willing to go... and with the exception of a few it would seem that most of the responders to this post would hold their own values above their own sexual pleasure and I personally think that as conscious, sentient and compassionate beings that that is the way it should be.

P.S: promise not to post after drinking in the future unless it's to report my own sneezy reactions to alcohol

[Jemmabean]

P.S: promise not to post after drinking in the future unless it's to report my own sneezy reactions to alcohol

I know this is off topic, but where's the fun in that?? I'm drinking right now!

[krazykat]

It's only a threadjack if I complain... and I ain't!! Oh and am drinking a nice glass of wine as I speak

[count tiszula]

Well, in reality of course I would barricade myself indoors to avoid being murdered, maimed or otherwise injured by other sociopaths; but if this lack of morals and ethics applied mostly to sexual mores, I would certainly roam around with pockets full of snuff, pepper, perfumed sprays, and a range of tickly solid objects, and I would use all of them on any attractive person I met, or even many unattractive ones.

When I went shopping I would attract the attention of a shop assistant, not by hanging around until they finished talking on their mobile, but by interrupting them with a big tickle that would make them incapable of continuing talking. I would certainly, like Sternuto, do many things currently illegal . But then I would myself be reasonably happy in most cases to enjoy it when other people asked me to walk on them in heavy boots, tickle them, spank them, indulge in mutual hair-fondling, and similar, rather than using violence on them.

And of course if I had any temporal power, if a high-status individual, I would have even more fun. And have several glasses of wine the while.

[chui]

it seems to me that at heart, this is simply a lighthearted way of asking, would you induce other people, if neither you nor they had the moral compass attached to it. im not particularly bothered by it (the question that is).... but in truth, i doubt i would act any differently than i do now.

we could argue for hours over whether a society could survive or exist devoid of morals and ethics, and im sure we would end no closer to the actual answer than when we began. in a way, it is impossible to imagine how one would act without them, as a persons specific morals and ethics have driven them and shaped them into who they are. we cannot think of ourselves making decisisons without their influence, simply because all of our decisions have been shaped by them, and there is no way to know how we would be in their absence.

that being said, i think most people would consider themselves to be ethical, myself included, and yet, i see no problem at all with making certain arrangements with SO's. for example, were i to know of something that would cause my SO to have an allergic reaction, without the danger of anaphylaxis, but simply resulting in a sneezy response, i see absolutely nothing wrong with talking to said SO about it, and them being agreeable to it, using it for random pranks, such as leaving it lying about or spraying it (whatever it may be) leading to them having said reaction, with of course the necessary rewards.

that might make me unethical to some, but as long as they agree to it, and certain boundaries are set (like not when they are on the way to work, etc...) i really dont see anything different than usual bedroom play.... *sigh* perhaps i really am horribly unethical....

[Jemmabean]

unless they were aware of what they were participating in, and had given me prior permission.

that might make me unethical to some, but as long as they agree to it, and certain boundaries are set (like not when they are on the way to work, etc...) i really dont see anything different than usual bedroom play.... *sigh* perhaps i really am horribly unethical....

I happen to know your SO would be fully aware of what he was doing to you by sneezing, and more than willing (hell, quite happy ) to participate. You are not unethical... you are deliciously naughty, there's a world of difference.

EDIT: Punctuation.

[Lynne]

I don't think I'd be tempted to go any further than I would right now... mainly because it's not society's mores that restrict me from pursuing the fetish any more ardently... it's my own beliefs and feelings.

[King_of_the_ruins]

This is definitely an interesting topic. Before i answer, i never thought krazykat meant anything bad by it, and we all have our times of having strange thoughts if we had a few drinks

I definitely would have a few women i wouldn't mind seeing sneeze; i would not hesitate to ask if they would sneeze for me. I still don't think i could do it without a person knowing about it.

[Blah!?]

Even if nobody thinks it's wrong, they'd probably still think it's weird if I ran around making people sneeze all day. Morals or not, I'd just be too embarrassed. I'd probably be more comfortable doing it in private though.

Actually, while I'm thinking of morals, I'm not sure if I'll even come to this forum anymore if I get married. To me, this place is like, well, porn, and I don't want to have anything to do with that when I'm in a real relationship with somebody.

[count tiszula]

It occurs to me that people only want to do things as it were one level above their current level of repression. I mean, I don't particularly want to kill or maim people, but I'm sure that if I were an absolute monarch, I would. But obviously before that I would torture them sneezily, though I can't work out whether I would punish them if they did sneeze, or if they didn't. And the answer is probably both.

The top ethical problem on this forum seems to be whether it is acceptable to make people sneeze without previously having informed them that if they do it may give one a slight sexual thrill; well, that and watching people sneeze ditto. And do you know it had never occurred to me until I came here that there could be anything wrong with it. They're going to do it anyway, it means nothing to them, they don't know it's even happening.

And suppose you are walking along the road and you see someone looking sneezy; are you supposed to hurry up to them and announce that they should really know that if they sneeze you might find it mildly attractive? Are we to stop using airfreshener because someone might sneeze from it, or indeed not go somewhere where airfreshener is used? I know that we're allowed to watch teenagers in bikinis, but not those clad in black wool who happen to sneeze, but that's just forum policy, not ethics, isn't it?

[Lynne]

Yes, but we would assume that most people have the self-control not to physically enjoy (thoroughly) a teenage girl in a bikini, whereas quite a few people here wouldn't have the self-control if they saw a teenage girl sneezing

[Demon327]

I know it would be seriously tempting if I had the power to make women sneeze, but I would not have the guts to do it. Now I do like Chui's idea because it is between two consenting adults with ground rules in place. I think there was a story a long time ago about a guy who got and then abused the power to make women sneeze to the loss of a great relationship. So essentially I would love to make every woman in this community sneeze, but I wont

[Lynne]

and just cherish the memories you have?

[doggo]

Well, I think I'll knowingly answer a wrong question here:

If I gave myself a permission to be a very, very bad girl, and would never get caught....

Hmmm. Being the kind of person who enjoys mostly cold sneezing, there's still not much I could do. But if I was also granted the resources, I would, of course, become a terrorist leader without a cause, specializing in germ warfare. A version of the good old psycho-scenario might be nice too, confining a nice young man for myself as a sneeze'n'sex slave.

Now, I can very well imagine things I would do if I experienced a sudden loss of morals and ethichs and whatnot. I don't know how much and what kind of a setback/dissapointment would be needed for that, but I could definately see that happening to me. Maybe my morals are just not very firmly attached to me.

But that's no real suprise; I am just that nasty person who has given the cat an extra hug and cuddle before getting intimate with someone allergic; and frankly would do it again. (I can already hear the tomatoes!) I've also been the bad girl who seduces the sick, sneezy and worn-out partner, and will do it again. There are much worse things than that for people to do to eachother. I'm not a saint, not going to or even wanting to be, and if I would get pleasure from random sneezes, I would definately go and test all the airfresheners in the store to find the sneeziest one.

[Vetinari]

Well obviously this is an important subject and therefore I have given serious thought to my reply. If I were placed in a society free of morals and ethics I would track down the sneeziest cold in the world and then infect Shiny Bug and Count de Tisza with the virus. Having waited for maximum effect I would play a number of inducing games with them to ascertain which of them was sneezienst.

Then I'd eat them.

My only concern is that I am not quite sure what to drink with this wonderful repast and any suggestions would be gratefully received.

[doggo]

I hate those damn morals and ethics...

[krazykat]

Then I'd eat them.

My only concern is that I am not quite sure what to drink with this wonderful repast and any suggestions would be gratefully received.

A nice bottle of chianti and some fava beans perhaps?